Requiems (or indeed, Requiem Masses)
Posted: 03 Jan 2006 23:45
Hi all,
to start a new topic rolling (and play with running a poll, hurrah :)
I've noticed the vague beginnings of having Requiem masses sorted under a category of their own, but so far not many works have been thus categorised. Before anyone rushes to do this, shall we decide categories?
Requiems to me are evidently a special subset of masses; afterall they have some movements in common with ordinary masses (Kyrie, Sanctus, Benedictus, and Agnus Dei*) even though they perform a separate and specific liturgical function, so it seems to me that a Requiem page should categorise the work dually as:
[[Category:Requiems]]
and
[[Category:Masses]]
Could any Wikipedians advise the best way to do some sorting in the Masses category to weed the Requiems out from among the ordinaries? Would something syntactically like
[[Category:Masses|Requiem masses]]
achieve the result of having all the requiems listed separately, or would we need to do something a bit more clever?
Regards, Philip
* This rather narrow dividing line between Requiems and ordinary masses would become slightly thinner if I were to upload several editions I've produced for the church I normally sing at in Melbourne, St Peter's Eastern Hill; a few years ago the then-director of music had a bright idea of performing a couple of movements (Kyrie, Sanctus-Benedictus) from a missa pro defunctis during Advent (when the Gloria isn't normally sung, and we always sing Credo to plainchant). So I offered to reset a couple of the Agnus Dei movements using the ordinary mass text rather than the requiem mass text: i.e.
Agnus Dei... miserere nobis... dona nobis pacem rather than
Agnus Dei... dona eis requiem... sempiternam.
The results with G.F. Anerio's 4vv Requiem were encouraging, so the next year we similarly performed some of the movements from Victoria's Officium defunctorum this way. Not all Requiems lend themselves to this sort of rearrangment, it must be said.
to start a new topic rolling (and play with running a poll, hurrah :)
I've noticed the vague beginnings of having Requiem masses sorted under a category of their own, but so far not many works have been thus categorised. Before anyone rushes to do this, shall we decide categories?
Requiems to me are evidently a special subset of masses; afterall they have some movements in common with ordinary masses (Kyrie, Sanctus, Benedictus, and Agnus Dei*) even though they perform a separate and specific liturgical function, so it seems to me that a Requiem page should categorise the work dually as:
[[Category:Requiems]]
and
[[Category:Masses]]
Could any Wikipedians advise the best way to do some sorting in the Masses category to weed the Requiems out from among the ordinaries? Would something syntactically like
[[Category:Masses|Requiem masses]]
achieve the result of having all the requiems listed separately, or would we need to do something a bit more clever?
Regards, Philip
* This rather narrow dividing line between Requiems and ordinary masses would become slightly thinner if I were to upload several editions I've produced for the church I normally sing at in Melbourne, St Peter's Eastern Hill; a few years ago the then-director of music had a bright idea of performing a couple of movements (Kyrie, Sanctus-Benedictus) from a missa pro defunctis during Advent (when the Gloria isn't normally sung, and we always sing Credo to plainchant). So I offered to reset a couple of the Agnus Dei movements using the ordinary mass text rather than the requiem mass text: i.e.
Agnus Dei... miserere nobis... dona nobis pacem rather than
Agnus Dei... dona eis requiem... sempiternam.
The results with G.F. Anerio's 4vv Requiem were encouraging, so the next year we similarly performed some of the movements from Victoria's Officium defunctorum this way. Not all Requiems lend themselves to this sort of rearrangment, it must be said.