Trad_Title_(Traditional) vs. Trad_Title_(Arranger)

[Mattersteig]

Hello!
I’m quite new here
and there’re some questions
concerning folk song arrangements
and how to put this into the CPDL.


Here is a German folksong:
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Steh ... itional%29

Arranger J. Klimek arranged it for SATB.

I arranged the same folk song for SAB,
and I’d like to share it on CPDL.

At the moment, the "General Information" about this folk song says:

• »Composer: Anonymous (Traditional)« — right
  »Number of voices: 4vv« — wrong, if I add my own arrangement in the Music files section.
  »Voicing: SATB« — wrong, if I add my own arrangement in the Music files section.
  »Language: German« — right
  »Instruments: Piano« — wrong, if I add my a cappella arrangement in the Music files section.

Should I move Mr. Klimek’s details (4vv, SATB etc.) up into the Music files section (#21708) ?

Or should I create a new page Stehn_zwei_Stern_am_hohen_Himmel_(Andreas Mattersteig) ?

Well, the next song I’d like to share will be a SAB-Arrangement of the German folk song "Kein schöner land…". I find TWO pages:

http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Kein ... itional%29
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Kein ... itional%29

Hm, and there’s a folk song arrangement I’ve already shared:
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Dat_ ... ersteig%29

and perhaps it was a mistake to write my name into the page’s title.
How can I change this? Should I change it?


Thanks for any logic help. ☺

[vaarky]

Welcome--thanks for contributing, and raising a good question too. Here are my preliminary thoughts, but I think it's worth waiting to give others time for their input.

A Work page for a score can have editions with different voicings. This can be indicated by including the categories for the two or more voicing combinations in the description below (that will list it under multiple categories when people search by voicing), and annotating each edition in the edition-specific notes about its specific voicing. E.g.:
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/O_Da ... itional%29

Therefore, just because a traditional song is arranged for different voicings does not mean it should have a separate page. Similarly, we can indicate on the Work page that the Accompaniment is both Piano and A Cappella, and the edition-specific notes can specify that (e.g. A cappella arrangement for SATB), e.g. how this example adds the categories for multiple accompaniment options so the piece shows both and is indexed in both categories:
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Agnu ... _Giffen%29

Therefore, my recommendation would be to post your edition within the existing page for that song, as a new edition, using the examples above to add information that there is more than one voicing and accompaniment category. We encourage you to try it and post if you need help--the great thing about this type of Wiki environment is that you can take it as far as you can, and ask for help if you need help with someone else to complete the rest or help make a correction (though it may take somewhat longer for one of our volunteers to get to this than if the contributor can make the edit themselves).

I feel that unless there is some unusual reason for exception, the multiple arrangements of the same song (e.g. Danny Boy) should be within a single Danny Boy page, rather than having a separate Work page for all or some of the arrangements naming their specific arranger. That way, multiple editions of that traditional song can be posted within that same page, and the arranger specified in the edition-specific notes. This helps site users more intuitively find the music they seek without fracturing the listings to make them have to check lots of different pages. So I would recommend that a Work page created for a traditional song that lists the arranger's name in the page name itself be renamed to just the song name and Traditional.

I recommend allowing a few days for others to post. Please let us know your further thoughts, and any further help you need. Thanks again for sharing your editions!

[carlos]

Hello Mattersteig, thanks for informing us of the two pages for Kein schöner Land in dieser Zeit, they were merged into a single page.

[Cdalitz]

The problem of different settings of the same tune does not only occur for folk tunes, but also for chorales. Just checked how this is solved in CPDL for "Vom Himmel hoch" (melody by Luther, arrangements by almost every major composer), and this seems to be the perfect solution:

1. one central page listing all arrangements: http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Vom_Himmel_hoch
2. for each arrangement Vom_Himmel_hoch_(Arranger)

Chris

[Richard Mix]

I've found text pages like vom Himmel hoch very useful myself, but they will also often include settings of the text that don't use the same tune, and exclude works using the tune for other words. For an illustration of how messy things can get, consider
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Inns ... ich_Isaac)
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/O_We ... raetorius)
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Ocul ... ich_Isaac)
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Nun_ ... tian_Bach) (thanks to whomever tacitly fixed the ä problem)

and others I no doubt missed.